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Okay, so.
I've seen
thundersquall being hated on about a thousand times on the anon memes (kpfm, kpsm, kpwhateverm), and I haven't said anything publicly about it until now, when I am going to say something about it and fuck you if you feel unhappy about what I'm going to say.
I know Sheena in person. I have met her several times. She has visited my home, and talked to my parents. She is one of the people I call a friend. And so this gives me the right to comment on her situation, unlike many of the anons who don't seem like they even know her personally, and are simply riding on hatred that they've heard from other people.
What I have to say is this: no matter what problems you feel you have with her, no matter how upset you might be with her, no matter what she might have done to anger you, there is nothing that justifies going to an anon meme and sprouting insulting, degrading comments about her. Nothing justifies posting up her private tweets on the anon meme and criticising it with a bunch of people who seem to think that insulting someone in cyberspace under the cloak of anonymity is cool. Nothing justifies exaggerating and twisting situations around to make it seem like it was ten times worse than it really is.
Let me get something straight: the friends' cut Sheena did that has apparently wounded so many people's asses. She didn't do it because people don't ship YeWook. Hell, I don't ship YeWook, and she has never given me grief about that. Why the fuck would she give grief to people because they don't ship YeWook? She did that friends' cut because anons were fucking insulting her on every anon meme that came up, and many of those insults were tied in to personal comments she made on her locked lj posts and tweets. Which means that some of the people on her f-list and t-list were putting them up for ridicule and ignorant hate. People whom she considered friends. I have so much I could condemn about this practice but I'm just going to say this: if you're joining someone's f-list or t-list just to get the dirt on them, you are below even common respect, and I have none for you.
We criticise antis in Korea for flaming and insulting idols, and we call them batshit and cray cray and insane and all sorts of negative adjectives that we can think of. Well, what makes you think you're any better than them? In fact, I would say that hating anonymously on someone whom you profess to have been friends with is even lower than antis of idols.
And finally to address two absolutely ignorant comments:
pm the story of a basic bitch who rode on the fame of her bnf friends then became more popular than them
1) Contrary to popular belief, she is not a bitch. Stop throwing that word around so lightly. It does not make you cooler.
2) She has BNF friends, yes. Does that bother you? She made those friendships with better intentions than you made hers.
3) She became popular because she is a good writer and reader and basically a friendly person, and if being friendly means you're a bitch, I'm sorry, I must have missed out on that briefing.
i can smell thundersquall's third world cunt in memar rn
1) Get your facts right before you go shooting off your mouth. Singapore is not a third world country. It happens to be one of the most advanced countries in Asia, if not the world, with one of the highest records of personal wealth, safety, home ownership, and economic stability. The average Singaporean owns a home and a car, can speak a minimum of two languages, is well-travelled, and has spending power greater than most Asian countries' citizens. Going around thinking that any country you've not heard of is third world is incredibly ignorant and stupid behaviour. And by the way, jsyk, Asia is not made up purely of China, Korea and Japan.
2) Calling someone a 'cunt' is degrading to the utmost degree and if you have ever screamed for liberalism and women's rights, you are bringing yourself right back to the 18th century.
To sum everything up: I am disgusted by any person who finds fulfillment in hating anonymously on their ex-friends / people they've heard are terrible. Perhaps you don't realise it, but the person you're hating on isn't just a username on your screen. It is a real, flesh and blood person, and you are hurting her. You scream about how antis drive Korean idols to suicide, and you condemn their vitriolic comments and malicious behaviour. Now take a step back and look at yourself. What, in god's name, makes you think that you are doing anything different from what they're doing? What makes you feel more justified than they are in doing it?
This post isn't merely for Sheena, but for anyone and everyone who has received hatred on anon memes and had to leave fandom to get away from it.
And as an ending note: I don't give a fuck if you're going to quote this on your beloved anon memes and call me butthurt or trying to court Sheena's favour or however you would like to twist this to suit your little theories about why you hate certain people. If doing that would make you happy, you are a far bigger bitch, loser, and coward than I or any of the people you hate on would ever be.
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I know Sheena in person. I have met her several times. She has visited my home, and talked to my parents. She is one of the people I call a friend. And so this gives me the right to comment on her situation, unlike many of the anons who don't seem like they even know her personally, and are simply riding on hatred that they've heard from other people.
What I have to say is this: no matter what problems you feel you have with her, no matter how upset you might be with her, no matter what she might have done to anger you, there is nothing that justifies going to an anon meme and sprouting insulting, degrading comments about her. Nothing justifies posting up her private tweets on the anon meme and criticising it with a bunch of people who seem to think that insulting someone in cyberspace under the cloak of anonymity is cool. Nothing justifies exaggerating and twisting situations around to make it seem like it was ten times worse than it really is.
Let me get something straight: the friends' cut Sheena did that has apparently wounded so many people's asses. She didn't do it because people don't ship YeWook. Hell, I don't ship YeWook, and she has never given me grief about that. Why the fuck would she give grief to people because they don't ship YeWook? She did that friends' cut because anons were fucking insulting her on every anon meme that came up, and many of those insults were tied in to personal comments she made on her locked lj posts and tweets. Which means that some of the people on her f-list and t-list were putting them up for ridicule and ignorant hate. People whom she considered friends. I have so much I could condemn about this practice but I'm just going to say this: if you're joining someone's f-list or t-list just to get the dirt on them, you are below even common respect, and I have none for you.
We criticise antis in Korea for flaming and insulting idols, and we call them batshit and cray cray and insane and all sorts of negative adjectives that we can think of. Well, what makes you think you're any better than them? In fact, I would say that hating anonymously on someone whom you profess to have been friends with is even lower than antis of idols.
And finally to address two absolutely ignorant comments:
pm the story of a basic bitch who rode on the fame of her bnf friends then became more popular than them
1) Contrary to popular belief, she is not a bitch. Stop throwing that word around so lightly. It does not make you cooler.
2) She has BNF friends, yes. Does that bother you? She made those friendships with better intentions than you made hers.
3) She became popular because she is a good writer and reader and basically a friendly person, and if being friendly means you're a bitch, I'm sorry, I must have missed out on that briefing.
i can smell thundersquall's third world cunt in memar rn
1) Get your facts right before you go shooting off your mouth. Singapore is not a third world country. It happens to be one of the most advanced countries in Asia, if not the world, with one of the highest records of personal wealth, safety, home ownership, and economic stability. The average Singaporean owns a home and a car, can speak a minimum of two languages, is well-travelled, and has spending power greater than most Asian countries' citizens. Going around thinking that any country you've not heard of is third world is incredibly ignorant and stupid behaviour. And by the way, jsyk, Asia is not made up purely of China, Korea and Japan.
2) Calling someone a 'cunt' is degrading to the utmost degree and if you have ever screamed for liberalism and women's rights, you are bringing yourself right back to the 18th century.
To sum everything up: I am disgusted by any person who finds fulfillment in hating anonymously on their ex-friends / people they've heard are terrible. Perhaps you don't realise it, but the person you're hating on isn't just a username on your screen. It is a real, flesh and blood person, and you are hurting her. You scream about how antis drive Korean idols to suicide, and you condemn their vitriolic comments and malicious behaviour. Now take a step back and look at yourself. What, in god's name, makes you think that you are doing anything different from what they're doing? What makes you feel more justified than they are in doing it?
This post isn't merely for Sheena, but for anyone and everyone who has received hatred on anon memes and had to leave fandom to get away from it.
And as an ending note: I don't give a fuck if you're going to quote this on your beloved anon memes and call me butthurt or trying to court Sheena's favour or however you would like to twist this to suit your little theories about why you hate certain people. If doing that would make you happy, you are a far bigger bitch, loser, and coward than I or any of the people you hate on would ever be.
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Date: 2011-01-02 03:46 pm (UTC)and also, those who have never travelled out of the hole they live in have no rights to comment on Singapore.
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Date: 2011-01-02 04:27 pm (UTC)wait, isn't that why we're not using our own real name online? *shrugs*
... but yeah, i have no idea what's happening in kpop, but i've read one too many anon memes to know that nobody deserves the hatred spread in it. it's definitely not a free pass to start hating, but i guess a lot of people who lurks around in kpop/ jpop comms in LJ tend to go that way.
she's lucky to have you as a friend, that's for sure :D
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Date: 2011-01-02 05:35 pm (UTC)i suppose the original idea of a hate meme is to jokingly hate on general things, which was what the je hate memes were initially, but then the trolls took over and now it's just a cesspit of hatred and ignorance.
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Date: 2011-01-02 05:23 pm (UTC)also i can't imagine what kind of wank you would get, but all the more evidence that they can find anything at all to wank on. like, omg, she likes pink, what a bitch, etc.
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Date: 2011-01-02 05:49 pm (UTC)Yeah, idk, anon memes blow everything out of proportion. From that one instance you didn't like someone's fic/opinion/whatever to how now you hate everything about them. What.
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Date: 2011-01-02 06:19 pm (UTC)basically, yes, because that person's ship or one opinion defines who she is and that's reason enough to hate her! ...okay.
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Date: 2011-01-02 05:26 pm (UTC)I agree with everything you said. I second your entire entry, Gem. I've gotten wank on those memes before but never as much as Sheena has and honestly, I don't understand how she could deserve that kind of treatment, especially by people she considered friends. there's no point to saying those things about on those memes, at all, really. and she's one of the nicest people I've met! argh, anon memes.
this entry is wonderful, Gem ♥
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Date: 2011-01-02 05:41 pm (UTC)the saddest and creepiest thing of this whole situation to me is that some, or maybe a couple, of her "friends" were doing this to her. we form friendships on lj in good faith that we're all just here for the fun and the fangirling, and that's all we want to do, damn it, have fun, and then this happens and you're like, wtf, i didn't sign up for this shit. it can really affect a person and the worst thing is i don't believe these anons understand that, that what they're saying is actually hurting an actual person a lot. if we don't do that in 'real life' (putting aside backstabbers and emotional blackmailers, of course), why do it online? it's basically the same thing, and it's even worse because online you're hiding behind your anonymity.
♥ i miss you darling~
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Date: 2011-01-02 05:52 pm (UTC)yes! exactly, I agree - that's one of the saddest parts of the whole situation. it's so wrong that her "friends" would so this, I can't even begin to rant about that. and if things keep going this way, fandom will probably just be ruled by anon memes. if it isn't already :\ and I really don't want that. it sounds preachy of me, but I don't want anyone or anyone else getting hurt. it's not fair what's happened with Sheena and it's not fair if it happens to anyone else. and I agree, hiding behind anonymity makes it worse.
I miss you, too ♥
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Date: 2011-01-02 07:45 pm (UTC)/useless comment.
anonyhate is just. so petty. and really sad when it comes down to it exactly because of what you've said right here. i don't know
(and yet you persist in trying to get me into this fandom! *dies* well, i guess fandom could remain nice and shiny if no one knows you're in it. :/ but that sounds sad...)
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Date: 2011-01-03 10:00 am (UTC)i don't want you to get into the fandom but into the groups themselves ;__; though i suppose it's so interconnected that it's hard not to have the two overlap and so....um. i've just moved mostly to the chinese fandom. don't know enough chinese to write any fic nor hold a conversation with anyone and so nobody knows or takes any notice of me and it's all peaceful and good :DDDD
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Date: 2011-01-03 06:24 pm (UTC)like, chinese...boyband fandom? or the chinese part of kpop fandom?? XD either way peaceful and good is good. (i swear, you are always so much smarter and faster than the fandom you're in)
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Date: 2011-01-03 06:35 pm (UTC)lmao chinese boybands! those went out when energy and 5566 kept downsizing i should think XDDD i roam the chinese part of the suju fandom! or maybe, i should say, more specifically just my favourite pairing's fandom because too much chinese hurts my mind. chinese fandom is a whole new world XD
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Date: 2011-01-02 09:19 pm (UTC)I wish I could say this is the first time I've heard of people following and friending others for the sole purpose of repeating private comments and mocking inner thoughts. Some people are utterly pathetic.
You're a wonderful person, Gem. Good for you. <3
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Date: 2011-01-03 10:05 am (UTC)oops, i think i wrote a mini-essay. can you tell i have strong feelings about this? lol.
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Date: 2011-01-02 09:22 pm (UTC)but anyway... I AGREE.
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Date: 2011-01-03 03:28 am (UTC)This is a logical post, and anyone who doesn't understand it needs their Human Card revoked for all of time.
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Date: 2011-01-03 05:00 am (UTC)And she IS uber nice. And doesn't deserve any of this.
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Date: 2011-01-03 07:55 pm (UTC)i'm still really freaked out over the fact that people took the effort to finagle their way into flists and tlists just to mock others. it's just really disturbing and disheartening, and i can't understand how someone could be so consumed with hatred for somebody they've never met.
but yeah, rn i'm really glad i'm cutting myself off from fandom :|
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Date: 2011-01-04 07:15 am (UTC)i've learned that the best way to remain in a fandom is to keep away from it. contradictions much! but really, getting too emotionally involved in fandom will result in a lot of unnecessary drama and unhappiness :(
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Date: 2011-01-05 03:15 am (UTC)you have my uttermost respect :)