[personal profile] catskilt
Okay, so.

I've seen [livejournal.com profile] thundersquall being hated on about a thousand times on the anon memes (kpfm, kpsm, kpwhateverm), and I haven't said anything publicly about it until now, when I am going to say something about it and fuck you if you feel unhappy about what I'm going to say.

I know Sheena in person. I have met her several times. She has visited my home, and talked to my parents. She is one of the people I call a friend. And so this gives me the right to comment on her situation, unlike many of the anons who don't seem like they even know her personally, and are simply riding on hatred that they've heard from other people.

What I have to say is this: no matter what problems you feel you have with her, no matter how upset you might be with her, no matter what she might have done to anger you, there is nothing that justifies going to an anon meme and sprouting insulting, degrading comments about her. Nothing justifies posting up her private tweets on the anon meme and criticising it with a bunch of people who seem to think that insulting someone in cyberspace under the cloak of anonymity is cool. Nothing justifies exaggerating and twisting situations around to make it seem like it was ten times worse than it really is.

Let me get something straight: the friends' cut Sheena did that has apparently wounded so many people's asses. She didn't do it because people don't ship YeWook. Hell, don't ship YeWook, and she has never given me grief about that. Why the fuck would she give grief to people because they don't ship YeWook? She did that friends' cut because anons were fucking insulting her on every anon meme that came up, and many of those insults were tied in to personal comments she made on her locked lj posts and tweets. Which means that some of the people on her f-list and t-list were putting them up for ridicule and ignorant hate. People whom she considered friends. I have so much I could condemn about this practice but I'm just going to say this: if you're joining someone's f-list or t-list just to get the dirt on them, you are below even common respect, and I have none for you.

We criticise antis in Korea for flaming and insulting idols, and we call them batshit and cray cray and insane and all sorts of negative adjectives that we can think of. Well, what makes you think you're any better than them? In fact, I would say that hating anonymously on someone whom you profess to have been friends with is even lower than antis of idols. 

And finally to address two absolutely ignorant comments: 

pm the story of a basic bitch who rode on the fame of her bnf friends then became more popular than them

1) Contrary to popular belief, she is not a bitch. Stop throwing that word around so lightly. It does not make you cooler.
2) She has BNF friends, yes. Does that bother you? She made those friendships with better intentions than you made hers.
3) She became popular because she is a good writer and reader and basically a friendly person, and if being friendly means you're a bitch, I'm sorry, I must have missed out on that briefing.

i can smell thundersquall's third world cunt in memar rn

1) Get your facts right before you go shooting off your mouth. Singapore is not a third world country. It happens to be one of the most advanced countries in Asia, if not the world, with one of the highest records of personal wealth, safety, home ownership, and economic stability. The average Singaporean owns a home and a car, can speak a minimum of two languages, is well-travelled, and has spending power greater than most Asian countries' citizens. Going around thinking that any country you've not heard of is third world is incredibly ignorant and stupid behaviour. And by the way, jsyk, Asia is not made up purely of China, Korea and Japan.
2) Calling someone a 'cunt' is degrading to the utmost degree and if you have ever screamed for liberalism and women's rights, you are bringing yourself right back to the 18th century.

To sum everything up: I am disgusted by any person who finds fulfillment in hating anonymously on their ex-friends / people they've heard are terrible. Perhaps you don't realise it, but the person you're hating on isn't just a username on your screen. It is a real, flesh and blood person, and you are hurting her. You scream about how antis drive Korean idols to suicide, and you condemn their vitriolic comments and malicious behaviour. Now take a step back and look at yourself. What, in god's name, makes you think that you are doing anything different from what they're doing? What makes you feel more justified than they are in doing it? 

This post isn't merely for Sheena, but for anyone and everyone who has received hatred on anon memes and had to leave fandom to get away from it.

And as an ending note: I don't give a fuck if you're going to quote this on your beloved anon memes and call me butthurt or trying to court Sheena's favour or however you would like to twist this to suit your little theories about why you hate certain people. If doing that would make you happy, you are a far bigger bitch, loser, and coward than I or any of the people you hate on would ever be.

Date: 2011-01-02 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teexsaurus.livejournal.com
everything you said.

and also, those who have never travelled out of the hole they live in have no rights to comment on Singapore.

Date: 2011-01-02 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
even sadder if they have travelled out but were too blind to see what was around them.

Date: 2011-01-02 03:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/amaelamin_/
gem i think you should run for prime minister.

Date: 2011-01-02 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
okay, i shall go enrol with the guys in white :D

Date: 2011-01-02 04:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/amaelamin_/
LEE HSIEN LOONG WATCH OUT HOR GEMMY COMING THROUGH

Date: 2011-01-02 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
i need to start practicing my public smile, like this: 8D

Date: 2011-01-02 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girlearthless.livejournal.com
Sorry for cutting in, but best comment ever XD

Date: 2011-01-02 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] girlearthless.livejournal.com
I don't know anything about your friend's situation, but I have to agree with everything that you've said here. People may think that being hated on in the internet doesn't hurt as much as it does in person, but it does and I get angry every time someone does it :|

Date: 2011-01-02 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
yes, for some reason, thinking that wank on a "lj person" is somehow okay. it is not okay. it is despicable.

Date: 2011-01-02 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] salwaphoenix.livejournal.com
i have this weird fascination on how anon meme works... it's like that's what we need for countries to start talking to each other and achieve peace, because you finally know what everyone is thinking, without revealing who you are.

wait, isn't that why we're not using our own real name online? *shrugs*

... but yeah, i have no idea what's happening in kpop, but i've read one too many anon memes to know that nobody deserves the hatred spread in it. it's definitely not a free pass to start hating, but i guess a lot of people who lurks around in kpop/ jpop comms in LJ tend to go that way.

she's lucky to have you as a friend, that's for sure :D

Date: 2011-01-02 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
anon hate memes are very cruel things, i think. they are basically an outlet for people to criticise, insult, and judge unreservedly in the most foul language without having to 'expose' who they are, and this then culminates in a big bunch of really nasty things said about people who don't deserve it. it's something that no fandom needs, but for some reason fandoms always have them and they always get a huge share of participants; it baffles me, really.

i suppose the original idea of a hate meme is to jokingly hate on general things, which was what the je hate memes were initially, but then the trolls took over and now it's just a cesspit of hatred and ignorance.

Date: 2011-01-02 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com
Holy shit what happened in kpop fandom after I left? Was it always like this? D:

Date: 2011-01-02 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoyah.livejournal.com
:( it was not always like this and i wish it had never become like this, but i guess this is what anon memes allow...

Date: 2011-01-02 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com
and this is why I learned to blissfully ignore anon memes :(

Date: 2011-01-02 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoyah.livejournal.com
lol i go on anon memes searching for nice comments about homin because it makes me happy

Date: 2011-01-02 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
i think any fandom with an anon hate meme would be like this; the popular/good writers get wanked on for every little thing they might do that goes against the fandom's grain. it may be jealousy, it may be pure maliciousness.

Date: 2011-01-02 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com
Yeah I got some wank when I was still in fandom but nothing to these extremes. D: Poor Sheena. I will give her lots of hugs when I see her in person! And yeah, pretty sure the Western fandoms I'm lurking in now have their own anonmemes too - I'm here for the fic, tyvm.

Date: 2011-01-02 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
the ironic thing is, they criticise the good writers and then the good writers leave and they whine that there isn't any good fic to read! such a classic case of shooting yourself in the foot, lol.

also i can't imagine what kind of wank you would get, but all the more evidence that they can find anything at all to wank on. like, omg, she likes pink, what a bitch, etc.

Date: 2011-01-02 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] meiface.livejournal.com
haha it was mostly stuff like "she's not that great of a writer, why is she popular" and "omg how dare she like donghae/kihae i hate it!" and the likes. Though I do like pink! That has never been wanked about before though lol. Perhaps I have not made my love of pink obvious enough. :(

Yeah, idk, anon memes blow everything out of proportion. From that one instance you didn't like someone's fic/opinion/whatever to how now you hate everything about them. What.

Date: 2011-01-02 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
now you know what you have to do ;)

basically, yes, because that person's ship or one opinion defines who she is and that's reason enough to hate her! ...okay.

Date: 2011-01-02 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hoyah.livejournal.com
was linked here. :( i can't believe people say things like that about sheena. she's one of the nicest people i've ever met period.

Date: 2011-01-02 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
i believe that they have gotten to the point where they can say things about anything at all :| the amount of insults that sheena gets on the anon meme has gotten absolutely ridiculous, they bring up "issues" that happened a year ago or something and they twist and turn stories and fuel the hatred with each other and get more and more insulting with each new meme.

Date: 2011-01-02 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emberberry.livejournal.com
one of the reasons I've always disliked kpfsomething: so much ridiculous/unnecessary/false wank. one of the reasons I've hated it more these days than usual: treating my friend (and just plain anyone, if it's happened) this way >:|

I agree with everything you said. I second your entire entry, Gem. I've gotten wank on those memes before but never as much as Sheena has and honestly, I don't understand how she could deserve that kind of treatment, especially by people she considered friends. there's no point to saying those things about on those memes, at all, really. and she's one of the nicest people I've met! argh, anon memes.

this entry is wonderful, Gem ♥

Date: 2011-01-02 05:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
you've gotten wank? YOU? oh my god kai what the hell would anyone have to wank on you about?!

the saddest and creepiest thing of this whole situation to me is that some, or maybe a couple, of her "friends" were doing this to her. we form friendships on lj in good faith that we're all just here for the fun and the fangirling, and that's all we want to do, damn it, have fun, and then this happens and you're like, wtf, i didn't sign up for this shit. it can really affect a person and the worst thing is i don't believe these anons understand that, that what they're saying is actually hurting an actual person a lot. if we don't do that in 'real life' (putting aside backstabbers and emotional blackmailers, of course), why do it online? it's basically the same thing, and it's even worse because online you're hiding behind your anonymity.

♥ i miss you darling~

Date: 2011-01-02 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emberberry.livejournal.com
it was a while ago (at least, the last time I saw anything) - some people were saying stuff like this comm I was starting with two friends was going to be too biased and that we basically had no right to start the comm because of some dumb reason. & sadly, we haven't worked on said for a while, so it's just sitting there (that could very well be attributed to business, though).

yes! exactly, I agree - that's one of the saddest parts of the whole situation. it's so wrong that her "friends" would so this, I can't even begin to rant about that. and if things keep going this way, fandom will probably just be ruled by anon memes. if it isn't already :\ and I really don't want that. it sounds preachy of me, but I don't want anyone or anyone else getting hurt. it's not fair what's happened with Sheena and it's not fair if it happens to anyone else. and I agree, hiding behind anonymity makes it worse.

I miss you, too ♥

Date: 2011-01-02 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
it kind of amazes me sometimes, the coverage that these anons have on the fandom, it's as though they trawl lj/twitter every day looking for things to wank on!

Date: 2011-01-02 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinonymity.livejournal.com
*takes notes* gem doesn't mind me posting her words to anonyhate memes. ok! now all i have to do is get into kpop fandom and learn all these korean names and...ok that's too much work for me. *throws note away*

/useless comment.

anonyhate is just. so petty. and really sad when it comes down to it exactly because of what you've said right here. i don't know [livejournal.com profile] thundersquall but i'm glad she has a friend like you. ♥

(and yet you persist in trying to get me into this fandom! *dies* well, i guess fandom could remain nice and shiny if no one knows you're in it. :/ but that sounds sad...)

Date: 2011-01-03 10:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
tsk, so lazy. all you had to do was learn a couple of names!

i don't want you to get into the fandom but into the groups themselves ;__; though i suppose it's so interconnected that it's hard not to have the two overlap and so....um. i've just moved mostly to the chinese fandom. don't know enough chinese to write any fic nor hold a conversation with anyone and so nobody knows or takes any notice of me and it's all peaceful and good :DDDD

Date: 2011-01-03 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinonymity.livejournal.com
i know. i am even too lazy for captcha or making a sockpuppet. i fail as an anonyhater. :(

like, chinese...boyband fandom? or the chinese part of kpop fandom?? XD either way peaceful and good is good. (i swear, you are always so much smarter and faster than the fandom you're in)

Date: 2011-01-03 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
too bad then, you can't join in the great fun~

lmao chinese boybands! those went out when energy and 5566 kept downsizing i should think XDDD i roam the chinese part of the suju fandom! or maybe, i should say, more specifically just my favourite pairing's fandom because too much chinese hurts my mind. chinese fandom is a whole new world XD

Date: 2011-01-02 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonbyrd.livejournal.com
I've never so much as read an anon hatememe because I just can't fathom what makes people act that way. If you have a beef with someone, be an adult and talk it out WITH that person instead of hiding like a coward and sniping from afar.

I wish I could say this is the first time I've heard of people following and friending others for the sole purpose of repeating private comments and mocking inner thoughts. Some people are utterly pathetic.

You're a wonderful person, Gem. Good for you. <3

Date: 2011-01-03 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
or at least, if you don't want to talk about it to that person, keep it to yourself or confide in someone, not, like you said, hiding and sniping from afar. this is one of the big problems about the internet; before it came along, people kept their complaints to themselves or told other people about it in confidence, but now with the internet you put it up for public viewing and hope somehow that the person you're bitching about will read what you say and change accordingly, and hey, no destroyed friendships! happens with twitter and facebook, too :| (only those aren't anonymous; but then again what you do in that situation is to refer to an ambiguous "you" and hope that the person will know the "you" is him/her but not specifically, you know)

oops, i think i wrote a mini-essay. can you tell i have strong feelings about this? lol.

Date: 2011-01-02 09:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taengoo.livejournal.com
i wanted to use a gif of harry potter applauding, but i couldn't find it :(

but anyway... I AGREE.

Date: 2011-01-03 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
thank you :D

Date: 2011-01-03 03:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wobaozhewo.livejournal.com
I have nothing to add to this, except that its admirable Sheena, or anyone with that kind of backstabbing shit going on behind them, still sticks around.

This is a logical post, and anyone who doesn't understand it needs their Human Card revoked for all of time.

Date: 2011-01-03 10:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
it just saddens me that we're all here basically for the fun and stuff like this kills the fun and makes us all angry and upset with each other and you're here thinking, what is the point? all we want to do is enjoy what we enjoy, fangirl what we fangirl, and it baffles me why people would want to destroy that.

Date: 2011-01-03 05:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trivialaffair.livejournal.com
Wow. Just. What? o_O That is just crazy and unnecessary. Dude, she read my Minwook. And commented happily. That accusation is just ridiculous and unfounded, and really very sad :(

And she IS uber nice. And doesn't deserve any of this.

Date: 2011-01-03 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
anon hate is always unnecessary :| the accusation about sheena going batshit at her friends for not shipping yewook just makes me wonder if any of these wonderful anons have even spoken to her before.

Date: 2011-01-04 05:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trivialaffair.livejournal.com
man. that is just. have you been hated on too? since you're a kpop bnf too now?

Date: 2011-01-04 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
i'm not bnf enough to be hated on XD

Date: 2011-01-04 05:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trivialaffair.livejournal.com
pft, just give it time ;)

Date: 2011-01-04 07:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
not going to happen even in a thousand years!

Date: 2011-01-03 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taoyan.livejournal.com
you're wonderful ♥

i'm still really freaked out over the fact that people took the effort to finagle their way into flists and tlists just to mock others. it's just really disturbing and disheartening, and i can't understand how someone could be so consumed with hatred for somebody they've never met.

but yeah, rn i'm really glad i'm cutting myself off from fandom :|

Date: 2011-01-04 07:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catskilt.livejournal.com
it is, and i don't understand it either, except that it is apparently very easy to 'hate' and 'love'. or maybe they feel that they have to hate a certain thing/person in order to prove...something. idk what.

i've learned that the best way to remain in a fandom is to keep away from it. contradictions much! but really, getting too emotionally involved in fandom will result in a lot of unnecessary drama and unhappiness :(

Date: 2011-01-05 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shihan-ai.livejournal.com
you are amazing. not just as a writer, but also as a friend and a person.

you have my uttermost respect :)

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